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That's right Harry, there should be a Torqeedo Travel 1003! : laugh78 :: laugh78:

That's right Harry, a Torqeedo Travel 1003 belongs there! : laugh78 :: laugh78:



It's good: laugh78 :: laugh78:

but to be honest I find a 2-stroke garned so bad!

relatively easy to wait, great sound, good performance, etc.!

but the supply of spare parts will probably be more of a problem and possibly the reliability !? A defective control unit is out of the question! : cognemur:

Hello Eljot
You don't have to worry about the skin of a tsar 10 years after purchase, as long as the tsar has not been in the south of Italy. For Italians, boats are like bicycles: everyday objects. This shifts to the north, where boats are treated like cars. Further north, then like South Tyrol, Austria Germany, boats are possibly treated like children.
Keep a watchful eye. As a rule, tsar skins last well over 20 or 30 years in the north.

As a rule, tsar skins last well over 20 or 30 years in the north.

If you take care of them: ka5:

It's like the car paint.
Well waxed and cared for then you can enjoy it for a long time.

Many think .... oh is new: ka5:
Well cared for from the first day, then it works better.

The orca skin of a tsar is no wonder skin either.

The seller of the zar57 has added the information about the boat / motor / trailer!

Boat bj1995, motor 1996 and trailer also 1995 with a total weight of 1100kg!

Despite the extensive range of accessories, in my opinion the entire package is nowhere near worth 22,000 €!
Engine and trailer together probably not worth 3000 €!

25-year-old boat despite its good condition is not worth € 18,000-20,000 !? : cognemur:

What do you all mean? Still look and press or finger away !? As I said, the boat is around the corner!

Thanks to you and greetings, martin

what about the SACS here?: gruebel:
https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-informationen/rib-sacs-640-schlauchboot-150ps-2t-mercury/1486283904-230-4983?utm_source=sharesheet&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_contentne = app_android&fb37Rc4

The seller of the zar57 has added the information about the boat / motor / trailer!

Boat bj1995, motor 1996 and trailer also 1995 with a total weight of 1100kg!

Despite the extensive range of accessories, in my opinion the entire package is nowhere near worth 22,000 €!
Engine and trailer together probably not worth 3000 €!

25-year-old boat despite its good condition is not worth € 18,000-20,000 !? : cognemur:

What do you all mean? Still look and press or finger away !? As I said, the boat is around the corner!

Thanks to you and greetings, martin

I would write that is clearly too expensive.

But that's my opinion.

Unfortunately, the well-kept used Tsar boats are in short supply in terms of size.

I would wait and look for something else.

But Tsar is good: banana:

And I wouldn't work on a SCAS with a 2-stroke engine.
Looks neglected in the pictures.
And then so much money for it.

But is my opinion again: beers:

The seller of the zar57 has added the information about the boat / motor / trailer!

Boat bj1995, motor 1996 and trailer also 1995 with a total weight of 1100kg!

Despite the extensive range of accessories, in my opinion the entire package is nowhere near worth 22,000 €!
Engine and trailer together probably not worth 3000 €!

25-year-old boat despite its good condition is not worth € 18,000-20,000 !? : cognemur:

What do you all mean? Still look and press or finger away !? As I said, the boat is around the corner!

Thanks to you and greetings, martin

I would keep my hands off such an old Gerafel!

Boat bj1995, motor 1996 and trailer also 1995 with a total weight of 1100kg!

My feeling tells me: let it be. Better take a look at the SACS, the same applies to the engine, but it still looks good.

Because of the Tsar :: stupid: if he can get it going at this price - nice for him. This package with this age I would not even pay 12000: stupid:
Take your distance http://www.guzzi-forum.de/Forum/Smileys/default/n0020.gif

Look: we will help you: ka5:: banana :: banana :: banana :: beers:

what about the SACS here?: gruebel:
https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/rib-sacs-640-schlauchboot-150ps-2t-mercury/1486283904-230-4983?utm_source=sharesheet&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_contentne = app_android&fb37Rc4


The SACS is also too expensive, but the prices on the used boats only know one direction at the moment, the prices for the most part are totally excessive.

The SACS is also too expensive, but the prices on the used boats only know one direction at the moment, the prices for the most part are totally excessive.

Yes, unfortunately it is like this: gruebel:

Yes, also think that the 57er is much too expensive, or the overall structure is just work!
After around the corner I'll probably take a look at it anyway! You don't get stupid! : chapeau:

The sac is also too expensive, has been online for ages and the seller is unfriendly! : stupid:

Nobody in the forum who wants to enlarge? : ka5: http://www.guzzi-forum.de/Forum/Smileys/default/z047.gif: beers:

Here is a 53 with a 15 115 Mercury from 2002.
However, in Tuscany it stands for 21K.
https://www.inautia.de/boot-49571120200597529953101100561024.html

the one in tuscany has been online for a long time!

I don't stress myself there now! the right boat is sure to come!

The whole search makes me more experienced so that I am also faster and faster to recognize good offers quickly! : chapeau:

I also have enough other toys in the barn to kill boredom! : gone

the one in tuscany has been online for a long time!

I don't stress myself there now! the right boat is sure to come!

The whole search makes me more experienced so that I am also faster and faster to recognize good offers quickly! : chapeau:

I also have enough other toys in the barn to kill boredom! : gone

Yes, you have to be sensible.

As my wife said after the new kitchen that we should buy a bigger boat, the go-ahead was given for me.
Since then I have searched all platforms several times a day.

You also get to know a lot in the process.

at that time we said that we should buy a bigger boat, the go-ahead was given for me.

Luck for those who already have their dream boat: banana:: beers:

Hello,
yes, I know the platform search .... my wife said she's going to puke ..... Please Notice: This is an automatically translated article!

as soon as you don't sit on it ... the advertisement comes. (and then you had to be quick, and possibly travel to sardines).

What do you have against the 2-stroke ... drive at the beginning ... and when the opportunity arises, sell.

lg

Robert

What do you have against the 2-stroke ... drive at the beginning ... and when the opportunity arises, sell.


actually have nothing against NEN 2-stroke! I drove two to the end and was happy with it!
If the 57 bissi were younger (2004 or so) and the trailer was sufficient, I would have thought about driving the 2-stroke engine first and swapping it for something more modern if the opportunity arose!
but the whole package just doesn't fit! because the stinker is still the lesser evil! : ka5:

Look, here's a nice Zodiac Medline 2.

https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/zodiac-medline-2-6-0-m-150-ps-yamaha/1721309798-211-8165

Look, here's a nice Zodiac Medline 2.

https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/zodiac-medline-2-6-0-m-150-ps-yamaha/1721309798-211-8165

Looks very neat in the pictures.

The Medline has the tubes inserted as far as I know.

In the current situation (nothing sensible on the market and wnn overpriced) I would not buy a Tsar either.

It corresponds to Martin's wishes: 6m is not that big, it is complete so he doesn't have to invest anything and ...: banana: he has an almost new Yamaha engine that is also sufficiently dimensioned. :Chapeau:
Unfortunately, I don't know if there is a trailer ..... let's see


Yes, a 2t trailer is included and also from Harbeck: cool :: banane:

Fully priced in Martin's framework: ka5: Martin ??????: ka5: Call .......

As I understand it: an all-round carefree package: beers:

So that this is finally over: go away

But the engine is not a 6 cylinder but a 4, right?
Very neat boat

Greetings Oliver

Thanks a lot for the info! I haven't seen the zodiacs on my screen so far!

The setup (size, motorization & trailer) is great! Motor is my dream moped! :cool:

The choice of upholstery color is rather borderline! : gruebel:

What comes across badly in the photos is the possibility of building a bed at the back?

Have written to the seller whether pcv or hypalon?

So that this is finally over: go away

Wait!! Good thing takes a while! : laugh78:

Wait!! Good thing takes a while! : laugh78:

Yes it really is like that: chapeau:

Read here once ... but consider adding a small damper.
http://schlauchboot-online.com/showthread.php?t=22226

Thanks a lot for the info! I haven't seen the zodiacs on my screen so far!

The setup (size, motorization & trailer) is great! Motor is my dream moped! :cool:

The choice of upholstery color is rather borderline! : gruebel:

What comes across badly in the photos is the possibility of building a bed at the back?

Have written to the seller whether pcv or hypalon?


Medline2 from the year is definitely PVC

Medline2 from the year is definitely PVC

Exactly! I also just found out from the seller that it is PVC!

So unfortunately no option for me!

That with the hose detachment is also extremely weak!

Thank you for your support!!! :cool:


I get involved sometimes. The Tsar looks pretty clean in the picture, but the question is when was the photo taken? Would be curious whether it still looks like this after 25 years.
Medline: The Medline is built in 2004. That means the PVC hoses are almost 17 years old. In a nutshell, PVC would be out of the question for me. No matter how good the GRP hull is.
Market: I also observe the market a little. As everyone has already written, nothing sensible is currently available. Thought wg. the economic situation in Italy should be more good "stuff" on the market. Unfortunately it is not so.
Two-stroke:
Of course you can ride around with an old 2T at the beginning. But most of the people who have an old 2T at the back want to switch to 4T. Is difficult, does not fit the purchased rib with the old 2T. Then let me sell you the thing including the engine .....
Martin good luck that you find something nice.

that is in fact the question of what the 1995 '57 Tsar looks like TODAY! therefore i'm in contact with the seller to maybe have a look at it the next few days! but he writes that it is currently completely "packed" from winter and he would like to clean it first!
but even if hypalon only rarely gets UV radiation and it is well cared for, it probably doesn’t have an infinite lifespan !? the plasticizers will still escape !?

A no go for me. I am too attached to money to buy an old air mattress that actually has to be in the yellow sack for so much money.

which plasticizers? fiberglass has no plasticizers ... and hypalon shows the real face as it is ... the glue doesn't last for centuries ... but you can also see how it looks.

lg

Robert

which plasticizers? fiberglass has no plasticizers ... and hypalon shows the real face as it is ... the glue doesn't last for centuries ... but you can also see how it looks.

lg

Robert

would have guessed that there are definitely some plasticizers in the hypalon! but good to hear that this is not the case! : chapeau:

It's a shame about the package: conf44: I don't think any of us can sound out the boundaries between Hypalon and PVC, those a few days by the sea.
I only accept the statement whether Martin has enough space. The package is complete and I think it's good. It's a shame - I would have liked the engine, the completeness and the trailer very much: conf44:

Harry, I agree with you, the completeness of the zodiac would be perfect!

But the lifespan of pvc is undisputedly 1/3 that of Hypalon!

... I keep looking! : ka5:

You can swap the hose with the piping system
Therefore the PVC is mobile for now .....
Hose exchange is sponsored by Zodiac every now and then and the piping doesn't really cause any more trouble ...
LG Hein

I still find the Zodiac Medline package interesting - hoses are available from the factory from around € 4,500 and as "fhein" already wrote, the current PVC hose can also last a few years ...

Here's an interesting 53
https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/zar-53-2008-115-ps-evinrude-e-tec-und-trailer/1722209711-211-2746
From 26831 Lower Saxony - Wymeer

Here's an interesting 53
https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-vergleich/zar-53-2008-115-ps-evinrude-e-tec-und-trailer/1722209711-211-2746
From 26831 Lower Saxony - Wymeer


Is a Dutch 0031-6 ..............

Is a Dutch 0031-6 ..............

What do you mean by that? It says Friesland NL in the ad

What do you mean by that? It says Friesland NL in the ad

That it is probably a Dutchman! I skipped over about the Friesland location. Had only read Wymer Lower Saxony

That it is probably a Dutchman! I skipped over about the Friesland location. Had only read Wymer Lower Saxony

Is 3-4km from the border.

A lot of money for 2008 - way too much.

A lot of money for 2008 - way too much.

In absolute terms - yes

However, no Tsar will get this size cheaper in good condition.
Is just the way. If you don't accept that, then you just have to look for something else.

in general, the leisure market is completely crazy right now! : cognemur:

the question is when will it recover? : confused-

I also think that just under 30t € for a 12 year old boat is no snap! : cognemur:

http://www.guzzi-forum.de/Forum/Smileys/default/z060.gif Buy a PVC boat ..... drive for a year or two .... sell .... buy Zar. = little risk and full range: ka5:

in general, the leisure market is completely crazy right now! : cognemur:

the question is when will it recover? : confused-

I also think that just under 30t € for a 12 year old boat is no snap! : cognemur:

I don't think he's recovering anytime soon.

This free market is booming at the moment.

Especially in this Corona time.

If the weather and the time allows it, we are on the water (Lower Rhine) and with 2 people we are pretty self-sufficient.

The Tsar is already the version with the newer rear rack, steering position bracket, flap in front of the tank filler neck and the like.
Also looks very neat in the photos and has no AF.

The price of 27,500 does not seem to be negotiable, but a few euros are certainly still possible.

I think the time for bargains on boats is over.

http://www.guzzi-forum.de/Forum/Smileys/default/z060.gif Buy a PVC boat ..... drive for a year or two .... sell .... buy Zar. = little risk and full range: ka5:

Either you have something like Olaf's and then you wasted your money.
How do you know that the sellers have not already found defects in the PVC and want to sell it for this reason.

You can write easily if you drive a Hypalon or with Orca skin yourself.

I would not advise anyone to buy an older boat with PVC tubes.

You won't get that easily sold afterwards.

http://www.guzzi-forum.de/Forum/Smileys/default/z060.gif Buy a PVC boat ..... drive for a year or two .... sell .... buy Zar. = little risk and full range: ka5:

a train of thought that I have, or had !!

but i want def. no more PVC boat, or the risk is too high for me that in a few years I will have too much loss with the "plastic boat"!

as I said, i have time (kayaks, canadians, etc. are also available for fun in the water) and would like to buy a boat that will give me many years of fun and not an interim solution! : seaman:


I think the time for bargains on boats is over.

compared to the other tsar offers, the 2013 in graz was def 27,000. a bargain!! I could still bite the worst of it !! but what do you want to do if the seller is so idiotic !? : cognemur :: cognemur:

a train of thought that I have or had !!

but i want def. no more PVC boat, or the risk is too high for me that in a few years I will have too much loss with the "plastic boat"!

as I said, i have time (kayaks, canadians, etc. are also available for fun in the water) and would like to buy a boat that will give me many years of fun and not an interim solution! : seaman:



compared to the other tsar offers, the 2013 in graz was def 27,000. a bargain!! I could still bite into the worst of it !! but what do you want to do if the seller is so idiotic !? : cognemur :: cognemur:

It is not just a matter of choosing which hose material.You write that you want to have fun with the boat for many years to come. My tip, don't buy too small, otherwise you'll swap again after a season or two. I felt the same way. At first you have respect for size, afterwards you are smarter. But it's not always easy: chapeau :: chapeau:

It is not just a matter of choosing which hose material. You write that you want to have fun with the boat for many years to come. My tip, don't buy too small, otherwise you'll swap again after a season or two. I felt the same way. At first you have respect for size, afterwards you are smarter. But it's not always easy: chapeau :: chapeau:

Yes you are right! therefore it should be a zar53 or 57, or from NJ or sacs at least 620-680! but not bigger either, because I still want to be relatively flexible and spontaneous with it! : seaman:

a wonderful good evening everyone,

I just stopped by the "prinz ulrich"! : ka5:

https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/zar-57-formenti/1714579708-211-6528

if there is ever a czar for sale nearby, I have to take the opportunity to expand my czar used market experience a bit, or just take a look at what a bj1995 czar can look like.

what can I say? first of all, a 57 czar is not a small boat! : laugh78 :: laugh78:

the 150PS suzuki is already a fat beater !! :banana:

In comparison to the 53, the 57 is not only longer but also from e.g. rear mirror massive? wide are both the same, right?

about the boat itself: I'm really pleasantly surprised by the hoses! make a pretty good impression! only a little bit of a sticking loosens at one point! the rear cones have no cracks, etc.! nothing faded either!
the boat was probably only used by an italian on lake garda until 2012 (no water boat and only on vacation) and from 2012-2018 water boat for three months in italy! since then it has been covered under the canopy!
it has been well looked after by the current owner! antifouling was new every year! currently it is removed!
the hull would have to be spruced up! Above the antifouling, the gelcoat would have to be polished. is slightly rough.
where there was antifouling, a complete gelcoat has to be applied or how does something work? how is the effort?

the wooden panel from the rear mirror should also be pimped up.
Otherwise, all the screws on the hinges, etc. should be tightened! but these are more of a gimmick!

the display instruments at the steering position are quite worn away from the sun and therefore no longer beautiful! is a visual thing!

engine looks clean, but I didn't look closely either because it was actually just a general look at the boat itself!

the way the boat is standing there you can definitely drive it for a while! but I would rather "restore" it. So make the hull pretty, make the rear mirror, check it out completely, sell the trailer, organize a new used one with at least 1500 permissible weight, advertise the engine on ebay and sell it for 2000 € if possible!

does it all make sense? : confused-

told him, more than 18k € is not worth it to me, but he can see if he can get it away for more! the days chat again ...: chapeau:

what do you all mean? : confused-

I'll start:

The antifouling is usually applied to a sanded gelcoat.
You might have to grind the remains down fine and then it is polished.

Replacing the mirror wood shouldn't be a problem if the engine is unscrewed and hangs on the hook of a small workshop crane.

I didn't want to do it back then and put 3mm plywood in teak on the right and left.

I am of the opinion that used trailers are wanted at a reasonable price and then you can buy the right one.

I can't write anything about the engine now.

I don't want to advise you either because I went a rather difficult path with our tsar.
But I have everything behind me and I am happy every time I pull off the tarpaulin in the garden.

You have to do the math and know what you think you can do with yourself.

You don't have to do everything at once.
First of all, advertise the trailer and, when it is sold, put the boat down and on trestles.
Then buy a trailer and sand and polish the hull.

The boat is ready to go and can be used.

Spiegelhoz can be made from boat plywood in teak beforehand and painted several times.
Loosen the motor in the crane and the bolt.
Then old mirror wood off and new on.

The boat is ready to go again.

That's how I would do it, but you have to know for yourself.

Renewing the mirror image is no problem at all, even I managed it :)

Have you ever calculated what the total will be if you have to sell a trailer and engine with such a station wagon and buy new ones? : gruebel:
You won't get much for the engine or for the trailer.
Imho, such an old used boat only pays off if you can leave the station wagon as it is.
In your head, of course, it can look completely different: laugh78 :, but, at some point the station wagon appears that you can drive as you buy it.
My advice, be patient a little longer.

Have you ever calculated what the total will be if you have to sell a trailer and engine with such a station wagon and buy new ones? : gruebel:
You won't get much for the engine or for the trailer.
Imho, such an old used boat only pays off if you can leave the station wagon as it is.
In your head, of course, it can look completely different: laugh78 :, but, at some point the station wagon appears that you can drive as you buy it.
My advice, be patient a little longer.

Ferdi is right there.

The station wagon just doesn't fit.
And changing all of that just becomes too expensive and the work comes along.

This year everything is expensive and you have to be happy if you get anything at all.
Whether new or used, boats, mobile homes, engines.
Yes, cheaper is often and possibly also a lot easier years ago.
This year one can only think about:

What is it worth to me to have an extra season this year?
If I am willing to pay 2,000 euros more than last year, I'll get on the water for that.
Or I search the whole year and find nothing, and I don't know what the next year will bring either.
Only one thing is certain: in two years you will know what has happened and you can say whether your decision was the right one or not.

Greetings Rüdiger

Hello,
well, you shouldn't necessarily buy the first best one, but it doesn't take too long to think about it, who knows if you can still say one way or the other in two years it would have been better?: ka5:

The neighbor across the street has always thought about it (because of a mobile home) and something always didn't go right, now the decision was made for him on Friday, now he doesn't need one anymore.: Confused-

And he wasn't that old yet (59).

So of those who were previously in the shortlist it would have been one or the other for me, of course only with cash and a packed bag at home. I guess the money is available immediately, otherwise it won't do anything.

If not maybe a size smaller and still on the water this season, but that's just my personal opinion, others see it differently and it's okay too.: Beers:

Finding something used where EVERYTHING fits, I dare to doubt it, that rarely works.

The last example, it would not have been for me, was too much wrong. Small compromises, yes, but that would have been too much.

Good luck, greetings Peter

Great Peter: smileys5_ also my opinion: chapeau:

thanks to you for your opinions which are really extremely helpful! :cool:

yes, life can be over faster than you think! : clever

i don't have any direct time pressure when buying a boat. money is almost ready! if a good combination is available and my mind tells me "buy it", then I'll take it! should it be tomorrow, then it will be like this, if it should not be until next year, then next year! : chapeau:

the 57 would be a nice restoration project if the price was right. but for 18t € I don't get a construction site in the barn! : cognemur:

Regarding the Tsar in general, I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of workmanship. all the screws on the hinges, fittings, etc. protrude for a long time, without a protective cap, etc. why can't you use screws with the correct length?

I would definitely trust ned in the cranial eyelets with the windy sheet metal plates on the back! : cognemur:

@ Eljot, you have a PM. greetings

@ Eljot, you have a PM. greetings

thanks! get in touch!

a nice nuova jolly turned up in Udine today! : ka5:

would be really interesting in terms of price! but looks like you can't build a bed in the back? : confused-

https://www.subito.it/nautica/black-fin-by-nuova-jolly-elegance-21-suzuki-150-udine-379774273.htm

Hello Martin,

With the NJ you can probably turn the bench back and then you have a small area to lie on, but unfortunately that is nothing to sleep over, also in the front it is pretty cuddly to 2t, head to head :)

Ciao, Ralf

Hello Martin,

With the NJ you can probably turn the bench at the back and then you have a small area to lie on, but unfortunately that is nothing to sleep over, also in the front it is very cozy for 2t, head to head :)

Ciao, Ralf

Whereby we would be back with the tsar.

Nowhere is it as cozy as on a tsar: ka5: unless you want to cuddle: banana:

a wonderful good evening everyone,

I just stopped by the "prinz ulrich"! : ka5:

https://www.ebay-kleinangebote.de/s-beispiel/zar-57-formenti/1714579708-211-6528

if there is ever a tsar for sale nearby, i have to take the opportunity to expand my tsar used market experience, or just take a look at what a bj1995 tsar can look like.

what can I say? first of all, a 57 czar is not a small boat! : laugh78 :: laugh78:

the 150PS suzuki is already a fat beater !! :banana:

In comparison to the 53, the 57 is not only longer but also from e.g. rear mirror massive? wide are both the same, right?

to the boat itself: I'm really pleasantly surprised by the hoses! make a pretty good impression! only a little bit of a sticking loosens at one point! the rear cones have no cracks, etc.! nothing faded either!
the boat was probably only used by an italian on lake garda until 2012 (no water boat and only on vacation) and from 2012-2018 water boat for three months in italy! since then it has been covered under the canopy!
it has been well looked after by the current owner! antifouling was new every year! currently it is removed!
the hull would have to be spruced up! Above the antifouling, the gelcoat would have to be polished. is slightly rough.
where there was antifouling, a complete gelcoat has to be applied or how does something work? how is the effort?

the wooden plate from the rear mirror should also be pimped up.
Otherwise, all the screws on the hinges, etc. should be tightened! but these are more of a gimmick!

the display instruments at the steering position are quite worn away from the sun and therefore no longer beautiful! is a visual thing!

engine looks clean, but I didn't look closely either because it was actually just a general look at the boat itself!

the way the boat is standing there you can definitely drive it for a while! but I would rather "restore" it. So make the hull pretty, make the rear mirror, check it out completely, sell the trailer, organize a new used one with at least 1500 permissible weight, advertise the engine on ebay and sell it for 2000 € if possible!

does it all make sense? : confused-

told him, more than 18k € is not worth it to me, but he can see if he can get it away for more! the days chat again ...: chapeau:

what do you all mean? : confused-

Hmmm, so first of all you have to think about whether this is your boat.

So when you've done everything (spruced up, changed the engine and trailer, etc.) ... is that exactly what you want?

If so, then I would consider it.

In any case, you need a new trailer, 1100 kg is not possible, you might get 1000 € for the old one, a new one (my Brenderup Basic 1800 cost 2300 €) is about 1000-1300 € extra.

You can apparently really drive the engine and boat that way at the moment.

AF is applied normally (as Reiner already writes) to the sanded gelcoat, usually with a primer underneath.

I also removed that from myself and the gelcoat underneath was ok, maybe I'll polish it again more intensely (unfortunately there was somehow the desire after the first 2 rounds), then it looks like new again.

I guess that's the same with the 57, so don't reapply a gelcoat, I would even consider putting AF on it again, the one with the shiny hulls without AF is probably more of a prestige project for carport boat owners ... It's also nice if you have nothing stuck to your torso after 3-4 weeks of vacation. And then you don't have to do the AF every year.

The wooden board at the back is very easy to restore, especially if you don't have a bathing platform, that's done quickly (I lifted the engine on a crossbeam in the carport)

Instruments etc. I wouldn't put any work into them, there are new ones if there is a new engine.

Incidentally, nothing speaks against him as long as he is doing well. 150 PS 2t Suzi walks like a pig, is just a bit louder and thirstier. First drive and then if necessary look at an offer or buy a new one in Italy, they are a lot cheaper there than here and Adria is around the corner.

If you can shoot the 57 cheaply and if it suits you, why not? A well-maintained one from 1995 can (is even sure) be better than a water boat from 2010.

It also depends on what you intend to do with it. Just drive and be happy or restore it to new condition like Reiner did? This probably only makes sense if you have a lot of time.

thanks to you for your opinions which are really extremely helpful! :cool:

Regarding the Tsar in general, I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of workmanship. all the screws of the hinges, fittings, etc. protrude for a long time, without a protective cap, etc. why can't you use screws with the correct length?

I would definitely trust ned in the cranial eyelets with the windy sheet metal plates on the back! : cognemur:

And you still want a ZAR ??: gruebel:

Ask all the Tesla drivers how their cars are made, but the carts still sell well :)

I drive an eGolf that is perfectly processed, but I would swap it for a Model 3 :)

Markus says whether it has to be a tsar. I also think that there are other very good boats, e.g. I like to go very far. A cozy corner for 2 couples is not a must for me: one thing is enough: one thing is also enough: a big tank, hard-wearing qualities, good, thick upholstery are much more important for me: ka5: a reliable engine to which one entrusts one's survival. For example, they drive on Vis Locals Jolli, Marlins, Joker, Humper, Sacs and LED´s. They have to know. There are other large ribs whose names I don't know, but they are priceless exotic. For my personal happiness, it is enough for me that I arrive there with a certain level of comfort and still have reserves to come back. As I said, my statement is based on the question of whether it will be a Tsar M.U.S.S.
Tsar is upper league-no question: smileys5_

Tsar is upper league-no question: smileys5_

Well, at least one or the other thinks so. Superior league in terms of price. But ZAR is by no means an "over-RIB". Other manufacturers have the same qualities, if not, meanwhile even better ones (if you look without ZAR glasses) .: ka5:
oh sorry, I don't want to chatter Fred. Eljot is still looking.

Well, at least one or the other thinks so. Superior league in terms of price. But ZAR is by no means an "over-RIB". Other manufacturers have the same qualities, if not, meanwhile even better ones (if you look without ZAR glasses) .: ka5:
oh sorry, I don't want to chatter Fred. Eljot is still looking.

how many tsars have you already driven to deliver something like that with conviction? : gruebel:

I always don't understand this weird "big league" discussion. Is that important? Does everything have to result in a positive / negative status symbol?

We bought the Tsar because it was just right for us. Space for 4 people to lie down, bathing platform, shower, lots of storage space, good rough water properties, reasonably motorized and that over a length of 5.35m ... you just can't find it anywhere else.

I would have preferred to buy a cheaper boat. But there was simply nothing that met our requirements as well as the Tsar.

And I think it goes well with Martin's requirements. That's the only reason I'm writing it.

Otherwise I lost my interest anyway, because the tsar faction with the "tsar glasses" is always hit the same.

I always don't understand this weird "big league" discussion. Is that important? Does everything have to result in a positive / negative status symbol?

We bought the Tsar because it was just right for us.Space for 4 people to lie down, bathing platform, shower, lots of storage space, good rough water properties, reasonably motorized and that over a length of 5.35m ... you just can't find it anywhere else.

I would have preferred to buy a cheaper boat. But there was simply nothing that met our requirements as well as the Tsar.

And I think it goes well with Martin's requirements. That's the only reason I'm writing it.

Otherwise I lost my interest anyway, because the tsar faction with the "tsar glasses" is always hit the same.

Ralf,
if it suits you, it's good, that's how it should be: chapeau:

What many people get on the sack is the exaggerated praise that some people organize for their ZAR boat, it is well known that they are good boats!

I would even think about doing AF on it again, the one with the shiny hulls without AF is probably more of a prestige project of the carport boat owners ... it's also nice if nothing sticks to the hull after 3-4 weeks of vacation Has. And then you don't have to do the AF every year.

That's exactly how I see it - the boat doesn't get any faster or better without antifouling, and polishing basically only makes the gelcoat thinner and therefore more permeable to water (and therefore more susceptible to osmosis!).

Of course, you can polish for hours or simply take the boat or rock in the hammock with a glass of wine - tried both, no comparison: ka5:

That's exactly how I see it - the boat doesn't get any faster or better without antifouling, and polishing basically only makes the gelcoat thinner and therefore more permeable to water (and therefore more susceptible to osmosis!).

Of course, you can polish for hours or simply take the boat or rock in the hammock with a glass of wine - tried both, no comparison: ka5:

Sorry ... but that's the biggest nonsense you write.

Ralf,
if it suits you, it's good, that's how it should be: chapeau:

What many people get on the sack is the exaggerated praise that some people organize for their ZAR boat, it is well known that they are good boats!

Sorry ... but you should be more specific since you are consciously addressing the Tsar driver.

Sorry ... but that's the biggest nonsense you write.

What do you mean exactly? That polishing makes the gelcoat thinner and more permeable?

How could it be otherwise?

Gelcoat is pretty much the most waterproof thing we know in boat building and every polishing is basically nothing more than sanding - and the thinner the gelcoat, the easier it is for water to diffuse through.

Just because it shines beautifully doesn't mean it is denser - if you wax an unpolished coat, it shines almost as beautifully, but the osmosis protection is far better.

It is physical voodoo to believe that you can "seal" gelcoat by sanding it off and that it can therefore do its job better - that also doesn't work with car polishes on TV commercials.

For the function, it is of course best to leave the gelcoat untouched and to inhibit / prevent the growth with an antifouling (so that it does not have to be sanded off) - that the appearance does not appeal to one or the other is another piece of paper .

In sailing yachts, boats that have been polished to death (because mostly because of the large area and the time saved with a rotary polisher with a large amount of abrasion and which remove far too much layer thickness if used improperly) have to reckon with a significant loss of value due to the too thin gelcoat.

From the antifouling forum by a chemist (if you don't believe a physicist):
"Protection of the gelcoat:
First of all, the goal is to preserve the properties of the gelcoat. In the above water area we have UV radiation, in the underwater area we have the mechanical loads, especially on gliders and vegetation. If you think you protect your gelcoat by constantly polishing it with some kind of mixture, you basically grind off your gelcoat so that it becomes thinner and thinner. That may work for a few years, but it's not uncommon for older yachts to have the gelcoat polished so far that the barrier shows through. "

"The gelcoat is a polyester resin that is enriched with Neophentyl and cobalt, which significantly improves its moisture density, gliding ability and durability. The gelcoat then gets its desired color through additional color pigmentation As in the noble forges, only a transparent gelcoat is used, which is then coated with a PU acrylic lacquer in the desired color. The thickness of the gelcoat protective layer is between 0.6 and 1.2 mm. If this layer is too thin, there is a risk the shining through and pressure of the laminate. The protective function is prevented. A layer that is too thick tends to crack, especially in the case of inflexible top layer resins such as a gelcoat. This is why layer thicknesses of 0.60-0.80 mm are usually applied in practice. Not the Layer thickness has an influence on the moisture density, but the material density determines the penetration rate rt of a gelcoat. As a rule, the maximum moisture density is achieved with a layer thickness of 0.125 mm. The value of a moisture density can therefore no longer be increased by thicker layers. Values ​​of 0.6-0.8 mm already have more than 4-5 times the required layer thickness. In the case of layers thicker than 1.0 mm, the gelcoat tends to "tear", since the elasticity is no longer given, which would be particularly disadvantageous in the case of high loads such as the gliders. A special feature of the gelcoat - polyester are the endless molecular chains that ensure the longevity of the gelcoat. If the molecular chains are damaged or shortened e.g. by UV radiation, grinding, chemical influences with acids, then the properties are changed and the service life is reduced. "

Most of the people here have the boat on land most of the time (not Klaus, if I remember correctly) ... the part will last forever and there will be no real osmosis damage that affects the function / strength give.

What I would really like about AF is that I have less cleaning work after vacation ... and my black torso with black AF actually looked good. But now it's down and I don't like to brush it on again, it was too labor-intensive for that.

But I don't understand why so many boats with AF are generally excluded from purchase.

But back to the topic, Martin wants a RIB :)

What do you mean exactly? That polishing makes the gelcoat thinner and more permeable?

How could it be otherwise?

Gelcoat is pretty much the most waterproof thing we know in boat building and every polishing is basically nothing more than sanding - and the thinner the gelcoat is, the easier it is for water to diffuse through.

Just because it shines beautifully doesn't mean it is denser - if you wax an unpolished coat, it shines almost as beautifully, but the osmosis protection is far better.

It is physical voodoo to believe that you can "seal" gelcoat by sanding it off and that it can therefore do its job better - that also doesn't work with car polishes on TV commercials.

For the function, it is of course best to leave the gelcoat untouched and to inhibit / prevent the growth with an antifouling (so that it does not have to be sanded off) - that the appearance does not appeal to one or the other is another piece of paper .

In sailing yachts, boats that have been polished to death (because mostly because of the large area and the time saved with a rotary polisher with a large amount of abrasion and which remove far too much layer thickness if used improperly) have to reckon with a significant loss of value due to the too thin gelcoat.

First of all, sorry Eljot for the topic deviation: beers:

Well Klaus .... I also like to lie in a hammock, but I also polish our boat.
Preferably on a mild summer night with a delicious basket maker and oldies on WDR4.
You can really switch off there and when everything is really shiny you can sleep well: go away

Sometimes I even have to put on my sunglasses when I open the tarpaulin.

Lately I almost flashed my eyes: laugh78:

But seriously ..... how should you sand off gelcoat with a polishing machine and grinding and polishing paste.

Don't worry about getting the gelcoat off.

In addition, the first layer of fiberglass is also embedded in a resin layer so that nothing can happen.

And when you polish your boat, like car paint, it is a certain protection.

I also do with the hoses: chapeau:

Sorry Eljot again.

Sorry timeout: futschlac
going on the sack is just the exaggerated praise that some people organize for their ZAR boat, it is well known that they are good boats!
Sorry ... but that's the biggest nonsense you write.
Lately I almost flashed my eyes: laugh78:

He is right: laugh78:

I recently brushed on my tooth enamel again while brushing my teeth. You just have to believe in it löl ... and nobody would deny that it is necessary to brush your teeth ...

Amusing Fred: ka5:: gone, I hope he'll entertain us for a while: beers:
Martin: no rush .... we are with you: beers:: smileys5_

Sorry ... but that's the biggest nonsense you write.


Reiner, please read a little in the antifouling forum. A sanded gelcoat is damaged and has a larger surface area than a non-sanded, polished gelcoat. That was one of the reasons why I gave AF on my Zar 61 hull again. And between gelcoat and AF I built a barrier layer. http://www.antifouling-shop.com/showthread.php?1679-GELCOAT-PFLEGE: chapeau:

Sorry, it's a bit OT Martin, but maybe interesting for you when choosing the boat and its revision.

yes what's going on here !? : confused-

is like at the regulars table! :cool:

go ahead with your experiences, opinions, etc. !! every answer is interesting! : chapeau:

it's good that everyone has their opinion! : chapeau:

to the czar glasses: I see it very soberly and factually !!
just compare the properties of the hoses with each other!

But what you have to say in general that the ZARs already stand out visually from the "standard" !! I now consciously say not to take off "positively"! because that's a matter of taste again!
personally i don't think the form of the ZAR design is beautiful! the color scheme for it already!

i have been comparing Schlauchis for almost two years now and currently I have to say definitely that my requirement for space is not met by any other than a tsar 53 or 57 !!
I would like to have two beds for 2 children and 2 adults for the night! : ka5:
no conventional hose with a width of max.
in the bow area the fronts are so tight that you can't really sleep for two! head back is bad because of downhill! : cognemur:

what also speaks for me in favor of the tsar is the apparently always the same layout. makes the second-hand search easier!
with sacs, nuova jolly, etc. the division is somehow different every time! sometimes the steering position is further forward, sometimes further back, sometimes left, sometimes right, sometimes a bench, sometimes a stool, etc. !! makes it difficult to quickly determine whether the layout fits with a used offer!

on the subject of tsar and quality:

yes, i was negatively surprised by one or the other construction or assembly deficiency.

but for me that is no reason to distance yourself from a tsar.
also drive a landrover discovery and defender. I'm used to poor processing and had to "finish" the boxes for years! : laugh78:

but why do I drive these boxes anyway? because they are different and there are no alternatives on the market that meet my requirements as exactly as the british misery! : laugh78:

and now i have to go clean my tsar glasses! : gone

Reiner, please read a little in the antifouling forum. A sanded gelcoat is damaged and has a larger surface area than a non-sanded polished gelcoat. That was one of the reasons why I gave AF on my Zar 61 hull again. And between gelcoat and AF I built a barrier layer. http://www.antifouling-shop.com/showthread.php?1679-GELCOAT-PFLEGE: chapeau:

Sorry, it's a bit OT Martin, but maybe interesting for you when choosing the boat and its revision.

all good! skin in with your experiences !!

AF is an exciting topic right now! :cool:

But it also works the other way around!

Ablation and application .....

Our Hanspeter ... injects the gelcoat ...

Put the trunk upside down ... sand everything ... degrease ... and spray on gelcoat ... dry ... sand wet ... polish .... like new, and above all, a good result with layer thickness .

lg

Robert

But it also works the other way around!

Ablation and application .....

Our Hanspeter ... injects the gelcoat ...

Put the trunk upside down ... sand everything ... degrease ... and spray on gelcoat ... dry ... sand wet ... polish .... like new, and above all, a good result with layer thickness .

lg

Robert

I did a fire service on our Vieser lifeboat many years ago.
A spot of approx. 10x20 cm was prepared, filled with fiberglass spatula and finally gelcoat was sprayed with a thick nozzle and thinned.
Since I had sprayed gelcoat and didn't cover it with any foil, I had to wash a thin, soft surface with nitro.

Then sanded and polished like Robert wrote it.

Well Mathias: gruebel: I don't need to look up in the AF forum.
I don't need AF and will continue to polish my boat.
I'm not interested in formulas or copied contributions from chemists.
I have my own experiences and I apply them.

But it also works the other way around!

Ablation and application .....

Our Hanspeter ... injects the gelcoat ...

Put the trunk upside down ... sand everything ... degrease ... and spray on gelcoat ... dry ... sand wet ... polish .... like new, and above all, a good result with layer thickness .

lg

Robert

Robert, please don't be angry. But then you can polish up the old sanded one. With each sanding, you open the surface of the gelcoat and remove the enclosed paraffin.
In the AF Forum it says, not the layer thickness but the layer density is effective. A good example is the one with the pasta sieve placed on top of one another. No matter how many pasta sieves you can put into each other, the water will flow through. No matter how thick they are stacked on top of each other ......

But don't you tell me that the Tsar boats are made of polyester? A quality boat is built with vinylester.: Stupid:

Now I'm a bit disappointed: laugh78:
Greetings Oliver

Robert, please don't be angry. But then you can polish up the old sanded one. With each sanding, you open the surface of the gelcoat and remove the enclosed paraffin.
In the AF Forum it says, it is not the layer thickness but the layer density that has an effect. A good example is the one with the pasta sieve placed on top of one another. No matter how many pasta sieves you can put into each other, the water will flow through. No matter how thick they are stacked on top of each other ......

With an infinite number of things, it's tight: cool:


And yes, when it comes to room layout, the ZARs are very good. Not really for me, but extremely good space utilization for its size

I'm not interested in formulas or copied contributions from chemists.
I have my own experiences and I apply them.

Experience is important and good - but that should not lead to one ignoring scientific facts and stopping learning.

During my sailing training I always meet experienced skippers who, with the chest tone of conviction and on their 20 years of experience, explain to the inexperienced, for example, their type of trim and use the same stories over and over again (e.g. a sail corresponds to a hydrofoil and through the Curvature on the upper side creates a negative pressure due to the longer path, which exerts a force on the sail pressure point - of course, it's a physical nonsense and there are long faces at the longest when I ask why an airplane can fly on its back ..).
When I explain to them that they have been making the same mistake for 20 years, of course there is always a reaction of defiance and more or less an attempt to ridicule everything. It's very simple with sailing: I let him do it his own way and then I show him how to do it right - when the boat then speeds up or goes up, everything is said and everyone knows that science is always there apply and they are then happy that they have learned something again and have developed further.

Even if I don't understand gravity, can't explain it, maybe even reject it and don't want to take note of it because it doesn't fit into my worldview - it is still there and the apple still falls down and not up for everyone.

Robert, please don't be angry. But then you can polish up the old sanded one. With each sanding, you open the surface of the gelcoat and remove the enclosed paraffin.
In the AF Forum it says, it is not the layer thickness but the layer density that has an effect. A good example is the one with the pasta sieve placed on top of one another. No matter how many pasta sieves you can put into each other, the water will flow through. No matter how thick they are stacked on top of each other ......

Matze ... we have known each other too long for that, than I am "offended" ...
No, but it is really problem-free ... we also did renovations with osmosis. Whether you brush / spatula or spray the gelcoat ... and then put the GRP fabric on it ... or vice versa ... is totally banana ... the surface must be clean and stable ... otherwise adhesive bridge on it. ... after that you have a "new hull."
The gelcoat is never 100% non-hygroscopic. But the finest cracks and crevices are closed by the wax or polishing agent ..... When the old gelcoat is sanded through, polishing doesn't help anymore ...


Lg Robert

Experience is important and good - but that should not lead to one ignoring scientific facts and stopping learning.

During my sailing training I always meet experienced skippers who, with the chest tone of conviction and on their 20 years of experience, explain to the inexperienced, for example, their type of trim and use the same stories over and over again (e.g. a sail corresponds to a hydrofoil and through the Curvature on the upper side creates a negative pressure due to the longer path, which exerts a force on the sail pressure point - of course, it's a physical nonsense and there are long faces at the longest when I ask why an airplane can fly on its back ..).
When I explain to them that they have been making the same mistake for 20 years, of course there is always a reaction of defiance and more or less an attempt to ridicule everything. It's very simple with sailing: I let him do it his own way and then I show him how to do it right - when the boat then speeds up or goes up, everything is said and everyone knows that science is always there apply and they are then happy that they have learned something again and have developed further.

Even if I don't understand gravity, can't explain it, maybe even reject it and don't want to take note of it because it doesn't fit into my worldview - it is still there and the apple still falls down and not up for everyone.

Yes Robert .... very nicely written.

But there was talk of gelcoat and polishing up.
And of diffusion or something like that: gruebel:

I wrote that on it.

I am not a fan of formulas and endless planning.
I just do it or leave it ... and as is so often the case, a part is refined when it is built.
I have all the options.

I will continue to treat some areas on the fuselage with sanding and polishing paste.
And if it diffuses through and drops then I still have the hoses that keep me afloat. I hope, of course, that nothing diffuses through there. : gone

And now we should finally find a rib for Martin so that he can get on the water soon. : seaman:

: confused-There is nothing more this year

: confused-There is nothing more this year

Well, I'm not so sure about that: gruebel: who knows what's going on behind the stage: confused-
At some point the idea comes Post: seaman :: ka5:

you're great! : cool :: laugh78:

here you can find out things that are extremely interesting for a good boat purchase! : chapeau:

was completely against AF at first, but after your exciting arguments and a bit of "googling" I am no longer completely against it! Of course, an AF can be used to cover up damage! but think if you have a good feeling from the seller and knock the under ship properly, then you can also. take a boat with AF !?
you can leave it on as long as it's good. if it gets bad, take it off and leave it out! : banana: OR ?? : gruebel:

in the company we have special knocking mini-hammers for rotor blades. this means you can tell by tapping the sound whether there is local delamination, inclusions, etc.!
I'll borrow it for the next boat inspection and scare off the seller at the same time! : laugh78:

@ralles: may I try knocking on your czar? :beers:

that would be nice weekend work:: ka5:

https://boote.de/haben/zar-53-2/#

you have to completely overhaul the hull right away and there is no issue of potential damage! : laugh78 :: laugh78:

how much does a complete hose change on one side cost? : confused-

You can't judge that at all ...

on the port side .... flaking due to compression .... (That should have torn through the GRP ...) and much more: gruebel :: gruebel:

Fixing that up is a bottomless pit (if you want to do it well) if at all possible.

That is certainly an economic total loss ...

lg

Robert

That would be a project for Reiner, after that it's better than new :)

The hull would be a nice task for my work colleague:
30 years of experience in gfk & cfk at eurocopter! Almost everything on the ec135 that is composite is laminated!
Now repairs all damage to our helicopters as far as composite is concerned!
Has already laminated his own canadians, etc!
If anyone can do it, then he! 👍
Imagine a repair in cfk with a transparent topcoat! :banana:
Would be interesting what the insurance estimated or paid !? Or does she even wear something like that?

Nevertheless, I think a lot for the 9 grand risk: gruebel: I would take someone with me when I visit. (Rainer?)

That would be a project for Reiner, after that it's better than new :)

I saw it too, but I didn't dare to post it.
Because of Tsar and so: ka5:

Yes ... a lot has to be done and you have to be able to do it.
The technology for the topcoat also comes into play.

Is of course feasible but with this damage the 9K are already borderline.

Everything on the boat has to be taken out and turned around on a slipway.
The hose must be disconnected and repaired.
It looks like the hose damage is only in the black area.

The engine needs a new underwater housing because I saw pictures elsewhere because the fin broke off.
The individual parts of the gearbox can be checked and re-sealed.

The boat is from 2008 and that means the newer version with a different carrier, different handrail on the steering position, fuel filler flap, etc.

Oh dear: gruebel: I'm already repairing it again: futschlac

The hull would be a nice task for my work colleague:
30 years of experience in gfk & cfk at eurocopter! Almost everything on the ec135 that is composite is laminated!
Now repairs all damage to our helis as far as composite is concerned!
Has already laminated his own canadians, etc!
If anyone can do it, then he! & # 55357; & # 56397;
Imagine a repair in cfk with a transparent topcoat! :banana:
Would be interesting what the insurance estimated or paid !? Or is she even wearing something?

Yes, that would appeal to me too, but for that I would have to be younger, have a small hall with heating and not have a beautiful tsar as I do now.
I once learned airframe builder and my apprenticeship was the time when the first airships were built in Essen / Mülheim.
Of course everything was made and a lot of fiberglass.

But for that the boat would have to be 2K cheaper.

But you have to estimate about 1 / 3-1 / 2 extra work once you are at it.
If the hull is through then you have to attach it from the inside.
And that's not always easy.
If you open the bottom and close it again then you can only use Ueben teak or something similar afterwards.

If this is supposed to be an economic total loss then the UK should be happy to get 5000 for it. You can watch the project well into autumn and if nothing new arises, then strike. I think it takes several months for this project in a heated hall: ka5:: gruebel:

well, think about it. The engine from 2008 with 115 HP (will probably be a Suzuki) will be worth 4-5k alone, even if the underwater part is gone.

Trailer seems to be there too.

well, think about it. The engine from 2008 with 115 HP (will probably be a Suzuki) will be worth 4-5k alone, even if the underwater part is gone.

Trailer seems to be there too.

I still have a complete underwater housing for it.

But it could also be a Honda.

If the boat has broken loose and the engine has not started, everything is usually fine.

If this is supposed to be an economic total loss then the UK should be happy to get 5000 for it. You can watch the project well into autumn and if nothing new arises, then strike. I think it takes several months for this project in a heated hall: ka5:: gruebel:

It is important that you have good working conditions.

Once everything has been dismantled and the boat has turned over on a slipway, you can work quickly.

was today with a work colleague (also a laminating expert and extremely experienced when it comes to fiber components) on a business trip to salzburg and told him about the boat or showed him photos! he would have gone straight on to get the boat.
said that should be easy to do and he would support me! has 150m of fiberglass in the basement, all resins, vacuum system, special spray gun, etc! :cool:

In any case, the same polyester resin and glass must be used again! everything else will not last in the long run!

I'm in contact with the owner about photos / videos of the entire boat!

the engine is a honda and runs perfectly! have a video! only half off the fin below! either new housing or welding! :banana:

first of all i would like to know exactly about the damage to the hose! if it has a long crack, can you patch it ??
or does it have to be replaced completely?

To tear the boat completely and lay it on its back is clear anyway! space for it can be set up! a vehicle has to spend a certain amount of time outdoors! : seaman:

9K is too much because of the risk of what is in store for me! I would consider 7K to be fair at second glance!

oh yes, does anyone know the exact layer structure of the tsar? number of lengths, the same thickness everywhere, etc !?

was today with a work colleague (also a laminating expert and extremely experienced when it comes to fiber components) on a business trip to salzburg and told him about the boat or showed him photos! he would have gone straight on to get the boat.
said that should be easy to do and he would support me! has 150m of fiberglass in the basement, all resins, vacuum system, special spray gun, etc! :cool:

In any case, the same polyester resin and glass must be used again! everything else will not last in the long run!

I'm in contact with the owner about photos / videos of the entire boat!

the engine is a honda and runs perfectly! have a video! only half off the fin below! either new housing or welding! :banana:

first of all i would like to know exactly about the damage to the hose! if it has a long crack, can you patch it ??
or does it have to be replaced completely?

To tear the boat completely and lay it on its back is clear anyway! space for it can be set up! a vehicle has to spend a certain amount of time outdoors! : seaman:

9K is too much because of the risk of what is in store for me! I would consider 7K to be fair at second glance!

oh yes, does anyone know the exact layer structure of the tsar? number of lengths, the same thickness everywhere, etc !?

I think for the rep. The number of layers are irrelevant.
It also depends on which class fiber material has been processed (in terms of grams).

I am also of the opinion that the hull is to be made.

But I've become a bit more cautious here in the forum.

For the tube, I would have the black orca skin renewed.
If the crack is there.

On the engine, I would remove the underwater part, let the transmission oil run off and weld an aluminum part (plate) in, sand and fill it.

I think for the rep. The number of layers are irrelevant.
It also depends on which class fiber material has been processed (in terms of grams).

I am also of the opinion that the hull is to be made.

But I have become a bit more careful here in the forum.

For the tube, I would have the black orca skin renewed.
If the crack is there.

On the engine, I would remove the underwater part, let the transmission oil run off and weld an aluminum part (plate) in, sand and fill it.

of course, the rep doesn't care about the number of layers! I would only have been interested now!
I'm not really worried about the torso! I'm in the best of hands!

the hose i have no real contact person! does Zar swap a complete hose directly and would that be affordable?

engine I would do that too! doesn't have to win a beauty award!

I am now waiting for more photos! fear that not only the underwater hull and hose got something !!

of course, the rep doesn't care about the number of layers! I would only have been interested now!
I'm not really worried about the torso! I'm in the best of hands!

the hose i have no real contact person! does Zar swap a complete hose directly and would that be affordable?

engine I would do that too! doesn't have to win a beauty award!

I am now waiting for more photos! fear that not only the underwater hull and hose got something !!

If you have more pictures and you know where the hose broke then get in touch with Frank from Gummibootreperatur Deutschland.
The yellow link window in the middle of the page here.

You could separate it yourself and send it to Beverungen beforehand.

Also dismantle the underwater part beforehand, have a part welded in and then fill and paint.

There is a lot of work on the boat (dismantling and then reassembling) that you can do yourself in stages.
This can save you a lot of money.

The most important thing is that you have someone for the trunk.

At the end of the boat to Beverungen and hose glue in.
Take a few days vacation there and take the boat with you again.

If you have more pictures and you know where the hose broke then get in touch with Frank from Gummibootreperatur Deutschland.
The yellow link window in the middle of the page here.

yes, that would also be my current plan!


You could separate it yourself and send it to Beverungen beforehand.

can you easily disconnect the hoses yourself? are glued to the fiberglass over a large area?


Also dismantle the underwater part beforehand, have a part welded in and then fill and paint.

def no problem! : chapeau:


There is a lot of work on the boat (disassembling and then reassembling) that you can do yourself in stages.
This can save you a lot of money.


exactly! would be my thought too! take everything out completely and repair the bare hull! then put everything back together nicely! : chapeau:



The most important thing is that you have someone for the trunk.


that is guaranteed !!


At the end of the boat to Beverungen and hose glue in.
Take a few days vacation there and take the boat with you again.

Gluing in the hose will probably not be that easy yourself, will it?

can't you just buy a brand new hose directly from zar ?? will not cost a fortune now and is always better than a repair !? : confused-

Hello,
It would be best if you call Zar or the importer and ask there, I don't think anyone here can answer that except with the addition "I believe or I think".

The boats are not cheap, so there should be a contact person for such matters, or, if not, you know what to expect if you run into problems later if you have one yourself.

Service is an important criterion for me, then it can also be a little more expensive.

Greetings Peter

Hello,
It would be best if you call Zar or the importer and ask there, I don't think anyone here can answer that except with the addition "I believe or I think".

The boats are not cheap, so there should be a contact person for such matters, or, if not, you know what to expect if you run into problems later if you have one yourself.

Service is an important criterion for me, then it can also be a little more expensive.

Greetings Peter

already happened! wrote an email to "zar" yesterday! let's see what the answer !? maybe I'll call you later !?

my tip - decide quickly.I don't think the boat will stand long at the price. Especially since so many are looking for a tsar and it is being spread here in the forum. There are also many reading along who never speak up, and whoosh, the boat is gone.
You can't go wrong with it, the trailer and engine alone are worth the price.

my tip - decide quickly. I don't think the boat will stand long at the price. Especially since so many are looking for a tsar and it is being spread here in the forum. There are also many reading along who never speak up, and whoosh, the boat is gone.
You can't go wrong with it, the trailer and engine alone are worth the price.

Yes: gruebel: that can be of course.

We have also planned it a little in advance that someone will certainly think about it: ka5:

my tip - decide quickly. I don't think the boat will stand long at the price. Especially since so many are looking for a tsar and it is being spread here in the forum. There are also many reading along who never speak up, and whoosh, the boat is gone.
You can't go wrong with it, the trailer and engine alone are worth the price.

the speed of decision depends, at least for me, on the level of knowledge about the state of the boat! Of course, € 9K is not a large sum compared to € 30K, but it can be for a construction site. therefore I would like to know roughly what I am getting myself into, or whether my calculation is working out!

the trailer is okay! Yes! the engine took a good beating! the fin doesn’t bring it off that easily either! underwater part costs a fortune from honda! the motor is not the best on the market anyway (cooling channels that are too small) and has over 500 hours on the clock!

i phoned the buyer! I'm a lot smarter and will only get accurate pictures at the end of next week! then i will decide!

if someone buys it blindly in advance, he should do it! hopp or top! can end well or shit!

i prefer to have a little more security! it will be adventure enough should it actually be bought! : seaman:

Another boat ...

https://www.vebeg.de/de/verkauf/suchen.htm?DO_SUCHE=1&SUCH_MATGRUPPE=1300&SHOW_AUS=2118290&SHOW_LOS=1

Hello,
You won't get security and cheap together.
Sometimes you have to take risks.
But well, you're not me, everyone sees it differently. :beers:

Nevertheless good luck, greetings Peter: chapeau: Please Notice: This is an automatically translated article!

Addendum, reads not badly, that of wool, but at Vebeg there is no test run either, inspection yes, at least for motor vehicles. You have to take a risk too .....

You will probably know someone with a trade license.

Hello,
You will not get security and cheap together.
Sometimes you have to take risks.
But well, you're not me, everyone sees it differently. :beers:

Nevertheless good luck, greetings Peter: chapeau: Please Notice: This is an automatically translated article!

Addendum, reads not badly, that of wool, but at Vebeg there is no test run either, inspection yes, at least for motor vehicles. You have to take a risk too .....

You will probably know someone with a trade license.

the relationship between security and risk must be right!
it has to be worth it and shouldn't lead to a nightmare! therefore I would like to have a house number now what a completely new hose costs and if that suits him, then off to vienna! : chapeau:

I would like to have this security in advance! definitely!

about the vebeg-boat: awesome plane, but a bit overkill !! but that’s going to work well! : chapeau:

the engine is a honda and runs perfectly! have a video! only half off the fin below! either new housing or welding! :banana:



hello eljot, do you know these parts?
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hello eljot, do you know these parts?