What is the full form of Kar98

Strange caliber at k98

  • Hello,
    I recently saw an original k98 at a large caliber competition in 7.82x57 and the owner said this was original although I know

  • Hello, I only know the caliber in 7.92mm i.e. 8x57 IS or before that 8x57 S. Then there were other calibres for export to South America. DWM Mauser 98 1909 in 7.65 Argentinian, 7x57.
    Later also 98s in .308 Winchester, i.e. 7,62x51 (NATO) were manufactured or converted to it. These were found in Israel, Spain, etc.

    Best regards, Andreas

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  • Hello Berger123,
    I would urge you, as an "active student", to use your spoken and written knowledge of the German language and to share it with us.
    Most of them stop right away when they read articles that you have to read through several times in order to understand them and also stop in the middle of a sentence and do not even dream of collaborating.
    In addition, if you want to ask a question, you should also ask it ...

    greeting

    Marcus

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  • Hello in the forum,

    I can only agree with Marcus's answer. Well, maybe it was just the starting difficulties in the forum.
    Please edit the post accordingly.
    Then there will be something with the answers.

    Kind regards. from Bochum

    Peter

  • Hello,

    I suspect it was a Mauser repeater, Mod. 1912, caliber 7 x 57.

    http://www.google.de/imgres?im…waKhYXNDg&ved=0CEgQ9QEwBg

    Greetings Karl

  • Hello dear Mr. Berger,

    You have already been referred to the forum rules several times. further posts in this style will simply be deleted.

    Your problem with listening to others is also evident in the content:

    does not exist, never was and probably never will be. A normal German 98k has 7,92x57 IS, that is the current designation of the caliber 8x57 IS, in Germany the field measure used to be given as the caliber, today it is the draw measure.

    greetings

    Thilo

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  • Hello,
    attached another illustration:

    Files

    Best regards, Andreas

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  • Original by Thilo
    A normal German 98k has 7,92x57 IS, that is the current designation of the caliber 8x57 IS, in Germany the field measure used to be given as the caliber, today it is the draw measure.

    greetings

    Thilo

    Hello Thilo,

    I've read this and a question about it:
    What is the significance of the IS when specifying the caliber?

    I also didn't know the field and draft, but Google helped. But is there a reason for this that has changed over the years?
    Would be nice if someone explained that to me.

    Thank you so much !
    with best regards Björn

  • Hello Björn,

    here is an answer:

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,92_x_57_mm

    The list is far from complete. So there was z. B. the designations:

    S.m.E.
    S.m.KL-track
    P.m.K.
    B.
    s.m.K.H.
    see p. bombardment
    Tool cartridge see p.
    IS - L track
    Exercise cartridge S *
    Cartridge see p. Bombardment
    Blank cartridge
    G
    L.S.
    S.m.K.-v, trop.
    S.m.K. trop

    for the respective design and purpose of the cartridges.
    e.g. L-track for tracer, G for rifle grenade, with K with core, B for observation cartridge, trop for tropics etc.

    Greetings Karl

    Addendum:
    If someone wants to "get in" I recommend:

    Windisch, Erik - Micke, Wilhelm - Kellner, Bernd "The 7.9 mm cartridge of the German Wehrmacht 1930 - 1945" or membership at "www.patronensammler.de".

  • Hello Björn,

    in a nutshell:

    After the "eternal enemy" France introduced a rifle with smokeless powder with the Lebel model 1886 (cal. 8mm Lebel) and large-caliber gunpowder weapons were still used in Germany, in Germany from 1888 the rifle 88 and the rifle cartridge 88 (8x57 I. = Infantry) after.

    This had a round head, which was the state of the art at the time. Later they switched to more ballistically cheaper pointed bullets. (IS = infantry. Pointed)

    In addition to the shape of the bullet, the amount of powder and the bullet weight within the caliber changed several times, for example if you use a 98a rifle or 98a carbine from the First World War with today's ammunition, it has a pronounced high shot, you need a higher grain to compensate Line of sight comes lower.
    In the USA, for example, cartridges manufactured there in cal. 8x57 IS have the same amount of powder as caliber .30-06 Springfield

    There is also an 8x57 IRS, but a hunting rifle cartridge cannot be fired from weapons in the 8x57 IS caliber.

    The types of ammunition mentioned by Karl all belong to the caliber 8y57 IS.

    greetings

    Thilo

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  • Moin Karl and Thilo,
    Thanks for the further explanation.

    One question remains as to why the change from field size (back then) to draft size (today). That didn't make it conclusive to me.

    Thanks in advance.
    with best regards Björn

  • Hello Björn,

    our horizon is getting bigger, the world is getting smaller and some clever person has decided to standardize the imperial, metric, gauge or field measurements.

    If a Russian used to say that my Nagant is three-line caliber and an American, my rifle is .308, then it would be difficult to compare.

    So it became 7.62 × 54-mmR (R = rim cartridge) and 7.62x51mm NATO.

    greetings

    Thilo

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  • Thanks Thilo,

    This also increases my horizon

    with best regards Björn